), and are interested in dwarf avocados outside that have a chance of bearing here. There is a lot of great info here. 96 9GreenBox - Pineapple Guava - 2 Pack 1,083 I was also able to confirm that a huge tree in Napa which got me growing my own avocados was indeed a Puebla because of your video. Thanks for writing. For those who have a large yard, Martin. But I will say that it is definitely precocious in my yard. Thanks again for all the information. Buddy, youre the best. 'Sharwil' is a Mexican and Guatemalan cross and represents more than 57% of the commercial acreage in Hawaii. But I would add them only after planting this trio. I have downscaled a bit.and now I have just 20 trees and 16 varieties. https://ucanr.edu/sites/alternativefruits/files/121265.pdf Fuerte and Sharwil are going to be harvested starting before Hass, and Nabal has a later season than Hass. Ive never tasted one but wondering how it compares to Reed and Hass in your opinion. What could have caused this issue ? You might have to wait a bit before one is available. One, get only the hardier varieties, such as Fuerte, Bacon, Zutano, or Puebla. Ive found that 30% shade cloth over the top of young trees is enough unless its over about 105 degrees. What varieties did you get and on what rootstocks? Hi Greg, Hi Greg, The second time I tried in on avocado toast and to my surprise it tasted even more like Fuerte. B types might not open many flowers as female in your cool spring conditions. Three, how big will you let the Hass trees get? Kindest regards, Production is too low in California. Thanks Greg! Lamb, Reed, Pinkerton (and Grande) seem to be the happiest and healthiest. Id probably still go Fuerte. I also have a Bacon way in the back yard mostly for pollinating. I am not gaining anything just want the world to have another Fuerte variety available to them. Choquette Avocados. Our water on the Mesa is exceptionally hard, and Im wondering if perhaps we should try a Lamb or Reed instead, or how salt tolerant a Fuerte is? I have been watching this tree for years since I work in the area, had some fruit once they turned black and they taste exactly like Fuerte! I write a new "Yard Post" every Friday. Once you have tried a GreyStar avocado, you will quickly conclude that GreyStar is several rungs up the ladder from Hass in flavour, quality and value. I dont think youll regret a Hass/Bacon pair unless you dont like the milder taste of Bacon. The Reed avocado variety is a chance seedling of Nabal, selected by James Reed in California in 1948. I recently bought a Hass and Reed on salt tolerant root stock. This is an interesting set of parameters. Kona Sharwil Avocado 2.0 - The Re-DO - Avocado Talk 1,184 views Feb 6, 2022 50 Dislike Share ReEngineeredMemories 582 subscribers Finally got the Kona in the ground as of today 2/6/22.. TREE SIZES. The grove manager said he prefers Hass at no closer than 12 feet. If there is excess moisture, your Hass avocado tree might suffer from root rot. Im in Yucaipa (barely north of the center of the city.) Its been a great summer in OB/Pt Loma. In the wild this means a range of flying and crawling insects, but in Western Australia this is . Now I am wondering if I will regret having a Bacon paired with my Hass instead of getting a Fuerte. This autumn, I decided to order more avocado trees from Brokaw. While Dusa is the global standard today, it does not perform best in all conditions with all scion varieties. Sharwil Avocados are medium-sized pear shaped fruits characterized by their rough green skin, which stays green and does not turn black as it ripens. Whats your take on planting it as the only Avocado tree in my yard? With a single Hass tree you can have good avocados at hand for at least seven months out of every year. Your climate in Temecula is similar to mine in Ramona: a bit hot in summer; a bit cold in winter . If youre planting trees at six feet apart, you might find it necessary to remove every other tree after a handful of years. Looks like my own graft will take. See my short video profile of Pinkerton avocado fruit here.). Shot hole borers being involved didnt even occur to me, but now that you mention it that seems like a definite possibility. http://www.avocadosource.com/Journals/2_Seminario/2_Seminario_Talks_Kohne_Rootstocks.pdf, This is when I realised the tremendous importance of the rootstock (some rootstocks have three times bigger yields than the others!). I really appreciate reading your expert advice and opinion about your experiences. Our greenhouse has 14ft ceilings. Sharwil Avocados from Hawaii. Thanks again! The mainland now accepts for resale, sharwil avocados, given the need for a great tasting avocado in winter. Avocados dont ripen while hanging on the tree. I think they do not sell avocado trees on Dusa in nurseries, because it is still under licence (I had to pay a bit more for the patent and had to communicate to Brokaw the addresses of the orchards). Id probably have to give the edge to Sir Prize because Id rather have the most complementary harvest seasons in order to have fruit to eat more of the year. I went to Fallbrook and paid Eli a visit, and I came back with a Reed, a Sirprize, and a GEM. But a couple are right on the cusp of that top tier. They are located in Fallbrook, and possibly in 2020 theyll start selling Sharwils. Although I enjoy the diversity of tastes in most all avocado varieties, theres something about Fuerte fruits that hit the target for me. You were right, Greg, they are the best!!!!!!!!!!! I have a friend down here in Southern California who also is very happy with his Zutano tree. Its not the worst soil in the world, as many fruit trees as growing nicely here, but which types of Avocado you think would thrive best in these conditions clay-ish soil, can be quite wet in winter and hot and super dry in the summer? I would recommend buying a new and healthy tree within the next month and planting it straight away no keeping it for months on your deck first. From what I hear it is a great tasting avocado but they dont seem to produce much up here. But just a few years later, in 1992, fruit flies ruined everything. According to your post and other things Ive read a Reed would be a good choice but, then I started looking at Sharwil and the descriptions of the flavor sounds amazing. Avocado varieties are of two flower types A or B and it has been observed in California since almost the beginning that A-type varieties fruit more reliably overall. So if possible, I would also add a third tree of a B-type flower and keep it small and use it just for the flowers (strip all or most of its fruit each year). What an adventure youve gotten yourself into. Ive been binge-reading your site after finding it yesterday. I have not been able to get a clear answer as to why this is not grown in South Florida. About the leaves, I think most people just think it looks messy. I have Lamb, Pinkerton, Reed, Mexicola Grande, Hass, Holiday and Ettinger. I am trying to get a good combination of A & B type and have avocados throughout the year. Other A-type avocados that are naturally on the relatively small side and produce well and are good eating include: Pinkerton, Lamb, Reed, and Gwen. I also purchased a Sharwill and Green Gold from Atkins Nursery last year, but they arent the best trees as they were burned pretty bad from last summers heat wave. I think they can be really helpful if done well. But sometimes I dont get lucky with that method, in which case I go to the Miramar Landfill in San Diego where they process such wood chips along with other yardwaste by composting it for a couple weeks and screening it. You just need to make sure that you plant on a mound. This is according to these articles of course. Like all the Mexican avos, it has a thin skin you can eat like an apple, and a high-oil-content flesh that has a rich taste similar to 'Hass', but with its own distinctive flavor notes. Its one that I have thought a lot about, read a lot about, still wrestle with, but have some good experience to share. You ought to add either Lamb or Reed for avocados to be eaten in summer into fall, yes; your grafting idea there is a good one. Results and timelines of grafted avocados. Ive only eaten them once though, a handful of years ago up in Carpinteria. They have smooth, glossy skins and high water content. I am looking for something to pair with Hass for extended season and help in pollination. If we are successful. An American friend of mine bought me a Sir Prize tree, but we learnt that the shipping to France was way too expensive (8 times more expensive than the plant itself), and we also had no garanties that the plant would pass the customs. Its usually easier to grow an avocado tree in the ground than to keep one healthy in a container. Thats a fun project. I wish I knew your yard in particular because there are always various microclimates within Sunset Zones and city limits, but unless youve got an unusually low and cold spot then these varieties should do fine. But the intention is to have overlapping seasons for both A and B type so there is always cross pollination available (I know that doesnt guarantee it will work, but I like the idea of having that potential). Which is the best? Mexicola is the oiliest variety that I have tasted but its a bit too intense for me, and I wouldnt say its one of my favorites. What are your thoughts on a Sharwil Tree? Wonder what that was all about. Should complement the GEM season. You have me sold on the year-round Hass prospect. Ive found a Gem and a Carmen Hass semi-locally and am torn about which to plant! Today, the 'Hass' accounts for about 80 percent of all avocados consumed in the entire world. You mentioned stopping to see friends in O B. Do you like its eating qualities about as well as Sharwil? So, I found an avocado variety calendar, on gregalder.com, https://gregalder.com/yardposts/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/IMG_20170831_071354-1-e1504273347755.jpg, https://gregalder.com/yardposts/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WP_20160104_09_07_06_Pro.jpg, but I am still struggling and have no idea what second variety would be the best choice. As I recall, the Tijuana River valley is where they were first noticed some years back. That day gave me a chance to compare the heat tolerance of multiple varieties: https://gregalder.com/yardposts/heat-tolerance-of-avocado-varieties/. Was looking at Sir Prize, your article leans toward Haas, stay with Haas? It doesnt matter which variety you plant in clayey soil. Just a couple days ago, I visited the largest organic avocado orchard in California, and they recently planted a lot of Sharwil trees. Once you exclude the fiber, a whole avocado is simply 2.6 grams of net carbs. I live in southern CA zone 10b near Los Angeles. Step 4. Notify me via e-mail if anyone answers my comment. I know you know the pruning game so Im sure youll have no problem keeping the trees at 12 feet. Most of them dont usually produce as well in such climates as A types. The key difference is that Florida avocados contain a lot less fat. If I had the space for only one avocado tree, I would plant a Hass. Seeing as you can go buy a Hass avocado in your local supermarket any day of the year, maybe you might consider a different variety that you can't otherwise find. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window). They have plenty of space, but Im leaning towards the GEM, since its so easy to get a hold of Hass at the markets. We dont need a shade tree (probably that was obvious. Your input and knowledge definitely helps. That tree eventually did die. Thank you so much for your response. Both Bacon and Fuerte will be ready to pick in winter, before GEM. But I have no idea if tomato Phytophthora is related to Phytophthora that affects avocado trees. ))) One of the challenging things is actually figuring out the season for each time and what that season is for those varieties in the location it is planted. I have two questions for you: Should I avoid planting a Reed here? And compared to Reed, Fuertes production isnt as consistently high. Greg, what rootstocks would you recommend for GEM, Lamb and Bacon? Can I say in between vertical and horizontal? I just put down the mulch and leave it be. 3 years old Hass on Mexican race seedling; unknown type If the only Hass avocados youve had are from the grocery store, then you have no idea. Pinkerton Avocado. Its good no doubt, but being the guy at Clausen told me it is the _best_ avocado, I was a bit surprised that it didnt have the high oil content like a Hass, it reminded me much more of a Fuerte, milder and more water based than oil based. Hi Greg, We got a Hass today, and were planning to plant it tomorrow in the sunniest spot in our yard, which usually stays pretty warm, even when its chilly. Being in Montecito, its likely that your Hass will set very well without a pollenizer. Ive seen high-density plantings get crowded after the first few years and then the yield is reduced and the grove is impenetrable jungle. We had problems with root rot our persimmontree died of root rot). The taste of a Sharwil avocado is excellent, on par with any avocado that Ive tasted. 'Greengold' and 'Murashige' are other green-skinned cultivars recommended by CTAHR for commercial planting. Who knows? I decided on buying a clonal rootstock. Or, just to be on the safe side (in case Dusa doesnt function well in our soil) have one Dusa and one Duke 7? Hass x 4 Reed x 3 Sharwil x 1 Unknown grafted x 1 Fuerte x 2 Ettinger x 2 Wurtz x 1 And a few seedlings. Theyre similar to Reed in both taste and appearance (round and green skin), except that the Nabals I know have a thicker, shell-like skin. Replaced with a Reed which is doing great so far. Great to hear! Excellent flavor - Sharwil and Hass both are described as rich and nutty. Im guessing it was the chlorine that did the damage. On the other hand, if a tree doesnt have a heavy set and you want to try to prevent the few fruitlets that it has set from dropping, the best thing you can do is make sure it doesnt become stressed from heat or thirst. Is that the same down South? I would like a dwarf variety to keep in a large pot on a deck about 4 miles from the San Diego Coast. Vertically? Will likely be going with a Sir Prize based on that fact, but Eli at Subtropica has all available, its just so tempting to get all three and just try to plant the reed on the other side of the property. Reed also stays green when its ripe. I understand that Wurtz, Holiday, Pinkerton and Gem are my options. Thank you for all the great information! Ill suggest other varieties and give lots of reasons and scenarios in the upcoming post. Greg, Thanks for all of these wonderful updates. Thanks again. Btw, from my experience and reading on Aussie forums Sharwil is very heat sensitive so unless it is 80 all year around it is not worth growing. Denny. The farmer found GEM to do very well on Toro Canyon and Duke 7 rootstock in his soil, however. So keep that in mind. Just so you and other readers know, my yard is in inland San Diego County near the town of Ramona. 2 years old Fuerte on unknown seedling Bonny Doon Avocado. Thank you so much. (Compare that to many peaches, which cant hold their mature fruit for more than a couple weeks!). Reed, Your message is very fun for me to read. As your commenter mentioned above, this list might not be optimal for those of us in slightly cooler areas. Thank you for your response and info. Lambs are also highly productive, taste very good, and mature in summer into fall. Greg, thanks for the article and all the comments. But thats actually not why Id choose it to grow as my only tree. Great article Greg! Started producing at 3? Who grew it, any idea? And please let me know how your adventure in avocado growing proceeds. I wish you luck with the planting this is a perfect time for it. Hi Greg, I live on the California Coast in between Santa Cruz and Half Moon Bay, were at about 800ft elevation and 1 mile inland from the coast. Incidentally, similar spacings can often be used in a yard as on a farm. I ate it on April 26, 2018, and my notes say that the Kahaluu avocado skin had thrips scarring, was about as large as a Reed but with more of a pear shape, did not peel easily, flesh was very easy to spoon out though. In fact, Hass also produces more reliably than Fuerte in most places. Your help would be most welcome, Thank you so much for your recommendation. Thank you, Elizabeth. Avocado flowers are cross-pollinated which means that developing independent genetic lines is difficult. Due to the protracted nature of avocado flowering in this region, all varieties had some degree of cross-over. 2. 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