CFRF Tapers Tapers from Classic Fly Rod Forum The links below are to "classic" tapers posted to the Classic Fly Rod Forum (http://classicflyrodforum.com) in the Taper Exchange subforum. This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. I like Paynes too! 0 0.072 - Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. If you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. (Ted Godfrey), I can say the one I don't like is the one in Ray Goulds fine book, 'Cane Rods, Tips and Tapers', page 85. I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. For example a 13 was really a 13.5? My original point, with which you took issue, was: I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. It is quite different that the Garrison math method. Know what to expect when you visit LAN, so you can feel prepared for your upcoming trip! (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. Even if EC did "compound" his B-9 taper just in front of the ferrule for a specific reason, it wouldn't negate the fact that this is AT HEART A STRAIGHT TAPER. A rod from John is the next best thing to the real thing. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. I think we can say that adding more material to a tip section would produce more power and reducing material on the tip section will increase accuracy and delicacy of fly presentation. This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. Easy casting and very versatile. I beef up the last 3 inches of the tip to fit the 14/64 male ferrule. Solid construction of suitable solidity involved unattractive weight penalties. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. Made several of them. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? There are several different specs for this taper out there, three of which I use. Quite a disparity. I've fished mine from a drift boat on the Green river and had great success. (Robin Haywood). The point is this: a straight taper only leads to a flat stress curve, as you say, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. At location 45, the taper shows the numbers 208/213. Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. 2023 Spinoza Rod Company. Welcome to the Taper Archives; The data on this page reflects the work of generations of dedicated rodmakers. The swell should start in front of the cork, at least 3" to 5". 0.248 A longer rod would help with the line control, but the drifts tend to be fairly short to rising fish. We will see how it turns out. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that.) Consider one or the other of these two if your rod maker intends to fit the rod with step down ferrules, since there is a .010" step down across the ferrule stations. If it's starting at the cork, somebody got their dimensions messed up. This means that the finished rod will cast like a ONE PIECE SLT rod. Stress curves are an integral part of this process and have to be evaluated. For my money I can think of a couple of rods I like better than anything Dickerson made. (Peter Jones) And, after you "get used to it" you will fall in love with this rod taper. Powered by Shopify. 8ft #5wt. I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. I use it as my Hex rod & for throwing big streamers. Step Down debate again. Reversed half wells cork grip. Mr. Garrison did indeed design excellent rod tapers, but his tapers as well as all tapers ONLY HAVE A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL STRESS CURVE under a very specific set of line conditions, outside of these conditions the SC is no longer Horizontal or straight but just another Curve. Measured over varnish. Crisp, strong, smooth, versatile. These were Bailey Woods stepdown ferrules. in practice however, there is little point in going below 7'6'', really. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. 1 wt 0.0540 65 0.248 134403 Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. Is that the 1949 or the 1951 version? anyway that's how I do it. I hope this is for step down ferrule. But if you change any of these inputs, the taper, length or weight of line cast, the stress curve will no longer be flat. November - May F E Thomas. (John Silveira). Any rod with a straight taper under load will feel to a greater or lesser extent, unnecessarily heavy in the tip and too soft in the butt. In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. 55 0.2275 We now have solid parameters around which to modify, to refine rod design characteristics. Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. by oldfishbrain 06/19/16 10:39, Post Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. How would this feel? If you look at the individual changes every five inches, no they are not always .014, but the mean and mode are .014". Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. (Robin Haywood). If you want to adjust for a different varnish assumption, or if you want to interpolate differently, then our actual measurements are there for you (or anyone, of course) to do so. I search on Google and didn't come up with anything. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? (David Atchison), Wondered if anyone had the taper for the Dickerson 8012 laying around. Gift of Heidi Bedford, Yearc. Even if you take off 0.006 for varnish, in case that wasnt done, its still a 7 1/2 wt. 7 wt 0.0790 The last 7613 is a version by Todd Talsma, it is the strongest one a 6/7 wt similar to the 1952 model. You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. Some good stuff here. Dickerson 7012 (1954) from "the Lovely Reed". 0.278 Bill Wara. Tell me about it please. The 1952 Dickerson is similar to the GW except it's a 5/6 wt. 42 .194 .066 (Max Satoh), Yep, the drop at the ferrule is .014 which should call for the use of a step down. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. .288@30 (Inches) (Inches) Stress "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". the grip so I did some interpolation. 60 0.231 142296 I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. Narrow steam but very exposed and windy thus needing a #5 line? Hmmm. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. Station Diameter There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. And this set of conditions is very narrow. I recently sold a rod to a customer blind on the phone. On the other hand, Dickerson was designing rods (most likely) for Michigan waters. My vote goes to L.C. The trouble is, the market wants one that can do everything superbly with ease, and for a quarter of the price you need to charge to make it a worthwhile business proposition. Dickerson Rods For Sale 15 0.115 163502 I get tired of hearing that kind of comment. 75 0.2855 So far all those posted were missing the 1st station on the butt section. The Lovely Reed by Jack Howell has numbers for the 1949 and 1951 versions. 0.334 The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. 15 .128 .278 (Mark Shamburg). 0.153 Not too many folks consider these mediocre. (Larry Swearingen). Different tools for doing different things. . Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! The Dickerson step down ferrule concept I need to know. I noticed a couple of versions of this taper where the swell was moved out in front of the grip but all of the original 1970 versions show it differently. Hi, I am considdering letting my local builder make me copy of a Dickerson rod, after all the positive notes on his rods I have read here. If you are designing a rod based on a linear taper and you want to make it a 3 or 4 piece instead of a 2, how would this be taken into account? by wefishcane 05/08/09 02:55, Post (Chris Obuchowski). The long column to the right of that is what we think the raw cane would have measured, subtracting for varnish, and interpolating between our measurements so as to put everything back on 5-inch stations. I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. I would also like to know why a Dickerson 7613 taper imparts those characteristics. I understand your point, but you can see it is an arbitrary line in the sand. You may think you are being rude about "Classic" production methods, but they're probably better than mine. 0.248 Parabolic is a marketing term and thus entirely meaningless in discussions on rod design. It does handle a 7 very well too. by bluesjay 06/19/16 13:59, Post faster tapers. Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. And why not? The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. (Harry Boyd). By going a ferrule size larger, you do not have to cut into the power fibers as far on the butt end. (David Atchison), Didn't Dickerson make his own ferrules and weren't they slightly oversized? I think it is a fantastic taper. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. An 861711 would be an 8 1/2' three piece, with the butt-to-mid ferrule being a size 17, and the mid-to-tip ferrule being a size 11. At Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company we build our rods based on proven "historical" tapers, meaning that the tapers we use were designed by Twentieth Century bamboo fly rod craftsmen. The stepped down portion of the male is 2/64's smaller than the sleeve. More than an eight weight is required to handle the largest of flies. The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. Is there a classic taper that roll casts better any others? Consider this, the aspect of looking at tapers as deviations from straight lines is most valid when you are designing from numbers and not from stress or deflection. 10 .310 .159 Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! Why? 48 .224 .375, I don't know how Banjo arrived at the measurements under the grip and reel seat. Whether Dickerson tweaked them to suit individuals or not I can't say. Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. The 8014 taper was devised later in Lyle's life and reflects both this ma Is the 8013 just a 6" longer 7613 or what are the differences? You can built say a 5wt using a 13/64 ferrule and any of these slopes, and they'll all be 5 weights, but if you do the math you'll see that the tip dimensions would vary greatly. Chris likes it for Smallmouth on the Shenandoah. Dickerson R.W. As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. (Robin Haywood). I have made several and all have been well received. It might depend, but only a bit, on what you call "very nice" and I see that your figure for station rise was almost exactly the figure I suggested. Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. Fair bit of information ) not a longer version of the finest rod tapers conceived. Production methods, but you can feel prepared for your upcoming trip ferrules. 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